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		<title>By: RWA and Digital Publishing: It&#8217;s Time for New Think &#124; Quartet Press</title>
		<link>http://www.jackiebarbosa.com/2009/06/20/hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>RWA and Digital Publishing: It&#8217;s Time for New Think &#124; Quartet Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s a Hard Knock Life for Us: Author Jackie Barbosa reveals the less-than-pretty side of traditional publishing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Grace Draven</title>
		<link>http://www.jackiebarbosa.com/2009/06/20/hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Draven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And it needs to stop, not just because it’s delegitimizing a huge chunk of RWA’s membership and a growing segment of the market its authors have for selling their work, but because it’s giving far too many unpublished members a much too rosy view of the real world of publishing.&quot;

Thank you.  Of the many things I found offensive about Pershing&#039;s article, I was most aghast at the very misleading idea that authors securing that first advance were well on their way to wealth and riches in this industry.  A brand new writer just learning the ropes of this industry would be in for a world of disappointment if they swallowed that bull--and why wouldn&#039;t they?  This is coming from the president of RWA.  It&#039;s a reasonable assumption to make that she knows what she&#039;s talking about in this case.  How unfortunate it isn&#039;t so.  

Thank you so much for stripping this down past the us vs. them and the political speak to the hard realities of publishing and unforgiving accounting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And it needs to stop, not just because it’s delegitimizing a huge chunk of RWA’s membership and a growing segment of the market its authors have for selling their work, but because it’s giving far too many unpublished members a much too rosy view of the real world of publishing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you.  Of the many things I found offensive about Pershing&#8217;s article, I was most aghast at the very misleading idea that authors securing that first advance were well on their way to wealth and riches in this industry.  A brand new writer just learning the ropes of this industry would be in for a world of disappointment if they swallowed that bull&#8211;and why wouldn&#8217;t they?  This is coming from the president of RWA.  It&#8217;s a reasonable assumption to make that she knows what she&#8217;s talking about in this case.  How unfortunate it isn&#8217;t so.  </p>
<p>Thank you so much for stripping this down past the us vs. them and the political speak to the hard realities of publishing and unforgiving accounting.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Castilleja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Castilleja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An absolutely wonderfully informative post! I&#039;ve been following the train wreck even though I&#039;m not in RWA. It has been...enlightening to say the least, from both sides and their stances. 

You know something? I&#039;m almost glad someone &lt;i&gt;else&lt;/i&gt; finally ponied up and admitted they haven&#039;t made the prerequest golden egg&#039;s worth of royalties. I know I haven&#039;t, but when so many as saying they have and &lt;i&gt;more than once, on more than one title&lt;/i&gt; it makes me wonder what I&#039;m doing wrong, if what I&#039;m writing is tripe... *sigh*

I&#039;m not disappointed with my publishers, or my books, but saying that money is the &lt;b&gt; only&lt;/b&gt; meter to grade by isn&#039;t realistic. My publishers are sound, professional and legit. I&#039;ve been with two who weren&#039;t. Even when you ask around and research, you can ask the wrong people. 

I agree education is the key. As far as RWA is concerned, they are lacking there. I was a member and treated like scum locally. The instant I said &quot;3 books epublished&quot; the entire shift in the room was &lt;b&gt;obvious&lt;/b&gt;.

The realities are this is a bleak industry to make a career out of. I knew that when I started writing 5 years ago. I know I will most likely never make it to NY. Do I quit? No. But in the meantime, I will write, and make what I do while I can. 

It&#039;s articles like yours that have helped educate those that aren&#039;t in the industry at all (i.e. my mother) about the difficulty and why I&#039;m not at Borders yet. ;)  Thank you for expressing it so well, and eloquently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An absolutely wonderfully informative post! I&#8217;ve been following the train wreck even though I&#8217;m not in RWA. It has been&#8230;enlightening to say the least, from both sides and their stances. </p>
<p>You know something? I&#8217;m almost glad someone <i>else</i> finally ponied up and admitted they haven&#8217;t made the prerequest golden egg&#8217;s worth of royalties. I know I haven&#8217;t, but when so many as saying they have and <i>more than once, on more than one title</i> it makes me wonder what I&#8217;m doing wrong, if what I&#8217;m writing is tripe&#8230; *sigh*</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disappointed with my publishers, or my books, but saying that money is the <b> only</b> meter to grade by isn&#8217;t realistic. My publishers are sound, professional and legit. I&#8217;ve been with two who weren&#8217;t. Even when you ask around and research, you can ask the wrong people. </p>
<p>I agree education is the key. As far as RWA is concerned, they are lacking there. I was a member and treated like scum locally. The instant I said &#8220;3 books epublished&#8221; the entire shift in the room was <b>obvious</b>.</p>
<p>The realities are this is a bleak industry to make a career out of. I knew that when I started writing 5 years ago. I know I will most likely never make it to NY. Do I quit? No. But in the meantime, I will write, and make what I do while I can. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s articles like yours that have helped educate those that aren&#8217;t in the industry at all (i.e. my mother) about the difficulty and why I&#8217;m not at Borders yet. <img src='http://www.jackiebarbosa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thank you for expressing it so well, and eloquently.</p>
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		<title>By: Sami Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sami Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post. Makes me feel justified in having gone the e-pubbing route :). I mean, who wouldn&#039;t like to see their name in print, but the odds are stacked way against a poor, starving author such as myself. Nope, the day job&#039;s not going anywhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post. Makes me feel justified in having gone the e-pubbing route <img src='http://www.jackiebarbosa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I mean, who wouldn&#8217;t like to see their name in print, but the odds are stacked way against a poor, starving author such as myself. Nope, the day job&#8217;s not going anywhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Publishing and the Alternative Economic Model &#124; Dear Author: Romance Novel Reviews, Industry News, and Commentary</title>
		<link>http://www.jackiebarbosa.com/2009/06/20/hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Publishing and the Alternative Economic Model &#124; Dear Author: Romance Novel Reviews, Industry News, and Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barbosa wrote a great piece yesterday about the facts regarding print publishing that RWA doesn&#8217;t want you to know. If you&#8217;ve got a manuscript laying around gathering [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zoe Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jackie,  those lottery odds is one of the reasons I chose to self-pub.  I saw pretty much that same thing and I thought &quot;screw this, I&#039;m publishing myself.&quot;  The odds, even if you don&#039;t suck, are pretty horrible.

On another note, back in the day, before I understood all the math involved, I didn&#039;t understand why so many authors were happy with epubs like Samhain and EC.  In hindsight I see the wisdom these authors had and probably my temperament is very similar.

I can&#039;t deal with the kind of pressure I&#039;d have on me from a NY pub constantly to keep my head above the water.  I&#039;ve got to work in my own way at my own pace and control the process.

Yep, I&#039;m a control freak.  But at least I know that about myself.  Otherwise I could be like the Shannon Doherty of publishing, and nobody wants that.

But... if I wasn&#039;t such a control freak I would definitely be the type of author to prefer publishing somewhere like Samhain instead of chasing NY.  Not that there is anything wrong with chasing NY, there isn&#039;t, it&#039;s just... I don&#039;t think it would make me happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jackie,  those lottery odds is one of the reasons I chose to self-pub.  I saw pretty much that same thing and I thought &#8220;screw this, I&#8217;m publishing myself.&#8221;  The odds, even if you don&#8217;t suck, are pretty horrible.</p>
<p>On another note, back in the day, before I understood all the math involved, I didn&#8217;t understand why so many authors were happy with epubs like Samhain and EC.  In hindsight I see the wisdom these authors had and probably my temperament is very similar.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t deal with the kind of pressure I&#8217;d have on me from a NY pub constantly to keep my head above the water.  I&#8217;ve got to work in my own way at my own pace and control the process.</p>
<p>Yep, I&#8217;m a control freak.  But at least I know that about myself.  Otherwise I could be like the Shannon Doherty of publishing, and nobody wants that.</p>
<p>But&#8230; if I wasn&#8217;t such a control freak I would definitely be the type of author to prefer publishing somewhere like Samhain instead of chasing NY.  Not that there is anything wrong with chasing NY, there isn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s just&#8230; I don&#8217;t think it would make me happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Why I chose to Self-Publish &#171; Zoe Winters, Paranormal Romance Writer</title>
		<link>http://www.jackiebarbosa.com/2009/06/20/hard-knock-life/comment-page-1/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Why I chose to Self-Publish &#171; Zoe Winters, Paranormal Romance Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] June 20, 2009 Why I chose to&#160;Self-Publish Posted by zoewinters under General Writing Leave a Comment&#160;  One of the reasons I chose to self publish can pretty much be summed up in Jackie Barbosa&#8217;s post about the realities of NY publishing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] June 20, 2009 Why I chose to&nbsp;Self-Publish Posted by zoewinters under General Writing Leave a Comment&nbsp;  One of the reasons I chose to self publish can pretty much be summed up in Jackie Barbosa&#8217;s post about the realities of NY publishing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris you should pop over to Marianne LaCroix&#039;s blog. She&#039;s asking the types of questions you&#039;re asking and on the Industry Change committee 

http://mariannelacroix.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris you should pop over to Marianne LaCroix&#8217;s blog. She&#8217;s asking the types of questions you&#8217;re asking and on the Industry Change committee </p>
<p><a href="http://mariannelacroix.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mariannelacroix.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kris Eton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Eton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, okay, I did some quick math based on some numbers *I* have in my knowledge....

80,000 word book with an advance of $2500 (standard kensington contract?) equals 3 cents per word approximately.

10,000 word short with no advance but received $300 in royalties for 2 months of esales equals 3 cents per word approximately.

And there are PLENTY of authors who make WAY more than $100 per month on a short story with an epub. I can crank out 10K in 2 weeks. 

I would like to see more of these comparisons made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, okay, I did some quick math based on some numbers *I* have in my knowledge&#8230;.</p>
<p>80,000 word book with an advance of $2500 (standard kensington contract?) equals 3 cents per word approximately.</p>
<p>10,000 word short with no advance but received $300 in royalties for 2 months of esales equals 3 cents per word approximately.</p>
<p>And there are PLENTY of authors who make WAY more than $100 per month on a short story with an epub. I can crank out 10K in 2 weeks. </p>
<p>I would like to see more of these comparisons made.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Eton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Eton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jackie, you also failed to point out that epublishers will take much shorter works than traditional publishers. So the RWA is comparing apples to oranges in that case.

It is so much easier to write a 20K novella and zip it off to an epublisher than to write an entire novel and get it published with a big NY house. In fact, you could crank out ten times as many short stories/novellas in the time it would take you to write a complete novel. 

So, even if you never made $1000 off of ONE epublished thing (most likely shorter than 40K, right?), you probably have made quite a bit on ALL of your titles over a one year period.

It would be interesting to break down income at a &#039;per word&#039; level to see how traditional compares to epublished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackie, you also failed to point out that epublishers will take much shorter works than traditional publishers. So the RWA is comparing apples to oranges in that case.</p>
<p>It is so much easier to write a 20K novella and zip it off to an epublisher than to write an entire novel and get it published with a big NY house. In fact, you could crank out ten times as many short stories/novellas in the time it would take you to write a complete novel. </p>
<p>So, even if you never made $1000 off of ONE epublished thing (most likely shorter than 40K, right?), you probably have made quite a bit on ALL of your titles over a one year period.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to break down income at a &#8216;per word&#8217; level to see how traditional compares to epublished.</p>
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